FUSS Update – July 2016

A few months ago I announced that CAMRA Vancouver was going to be reinvigorating an old initiative in the F.U.S.S. campaign. For those that don’t know, the Fess Up to Serving Sizes campaign was aimed at educating consumers on the legal requirements of bars and breweries when it came to posting the size of their beers, and to how much beer they are actually pouring. This was a campaign that came to fruition several years ago under the guidance of past CAMRA BC executive teams. The basic concept is to visit an establishment and see if it meets certain criteria. Mainly, do they advertise what measurements they are pouring and do they pour what is advertised on their menu. That’s it. You would think it would be pretty simple but it’s actually proving to be quite difficult.

The problem we face in a situation like this is we are not only trying to tackle a contentious advocacy issue, but we are doing so while being saddled with a bit of rocky history. The reality is, the F.U.S.S. campaign comes with negative connotation. When I decided to reinvigorate it this year something I tried to focus on was the fact that past versions of this campaign were not properly managed. They were done in a way that was negative, confrontational, and antagonistic.  I did not want to take it in that direction as it felt as though it was not the way to foster constructive relationship with the community members that happened be in the industry. Despite my best efforts to frame the campaign as positively as possible this time around, I have felt that there is overwhelming resistance to involvement. Something I thought was very important was that pubs or breweries agreed to have us come in and measure and not just have people with graduated cylinders and beakers showing up.

So, after the letter I wrote went out, I put out a few feelers to the places I thought would be interested. Much to my surprise, the most common response I received was some kind of variation on “we pour properly/advertise our pours, but we don’t want you coming in.” To which, my response was almost always “If you are pouring properly, why don’t you let us measure? It would just make for positive advertising for you.” To which their response was usually “We just don’t want to be associated with this campaign as a brand.” After several of these conversations happened it became very clear to me that previous incarnations of the CAMRA Executive had made it so that this campaign would most likely never have traction in this city again.  On one side, I could approach it the same way that we had in the past and take a guerrilla tactic and measure out restaurants without much warning, and publish our findings. Many of our members may very well say that that’s the route to take; in theory from an advocacy standpoint they’re not wrong.  But being on the executive board of the society has taught me that you really need to know how to play nice with the community. If I were to begin an onslaught of every single supplier of beer in the city and indiscriminately measured each one of them out, I can almost guarantee that our members would not like the consequences. So many of our members appreciate the member benefits they get by presenting their CAMRA card at many of these establishments – I know I do. If I were to turn our society into the enemy of industry, many of those benefits would disappear. If people like our education classes, they may be out of luck as places like Steamworks, Big Rock Urban, 12 Kings Pub, offer up their locations free of charge to us as a way of giving back to the community.  I don’t think they would be willing to do so if we were to launch a full scale attack on their friends in the community (Not that these places aren’t meeting serving standards, I am just using them as an example.) People may not like the fact that the decisions we make from an advocate front are viewed through this lense, but they are. I had a discussion of this nature with a longtime member recently, who told me he would rather have a society of 20 people that are focused on advocate work then a society of several thousand were only a handful were strong advocates. I told him I respectfully disagreed.  Some may not like our benefit program (as they may feel it diminishes our legitimacy) but it is necessary for what we’re doing. Our organization is 100% member funded,  without corporate donation or government grants we need every member we can get to fund what we do.  Does that mean taking on members who are only interested in having a card that they can show to save a bit of money? Absolutely. That doesn’t mean that those members are never going to see the value in taking an advocate stance.  Everyone start somewhere. Even if those members never become strong advocate minds, but they keep paying their yearly dues, that will fund our efforts for years to come.  Consider it like bankrolling, or a group of Venture Capitalists.

Following the vein of making advocacy decisions that are in the best interest of the organization the executive board has decided it is best to retire the F.U.S.S. campaign as the branding is tainted, and we see no real positive yield from it moving forward. That being said, this is a fantastic opportunity to open to new campaigns and new ideas. We on the board have a few ideas we are toying around with, but we’d love to hear from you. If you are interested in helping us by forming an members advocacy advisory board, please contact me to let me know.  I would like to form a group of members who will get together and help us strategize local advocacy efforts in the Vancouver area. These aren’t decisions that should be diven by a handful of us – instead it should be driven by our passionate membership. I’m always looking to get members more involved in what we do and this is a great chance to do so. This is a great opportunity if consumer advocacy is your thing, shoot me an email, let’s talk!

 


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6 Responses to “FUSS Update – July 2016”

  1. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    Damn. I understand your position David, I really do. As you said in an earlier mailing, you’re not the beer-size police…something like that. You have no power to enforce serving sizes, only to suggest what is fair and appropriate. If restaurant/pubs refuse to comply, what can you do? I agree that we don’t want to become the enemy of the community by publically attacking everyone, but I do feel that going into establishments randomly, without warning, and measuring their serving sizes to ensure that they are poured fairly as advertised, is good policy. If they are not, then warning our members to beware of that establishment is simply protecting our members from being scammed…which is honourable, and your duty as President, I feel. As a Camra member, I have made a point of following your advice to ask in every establishment that doesn’t clearly advertise their serving size to define what exactly what quantity I am getting when I order a Fat Tug…or whatever. Bars like Craft Beer Market, with their selective pouring sizes frankly tick me off. Bars that serve beers that are higher than 7% alcohol in a brandy snifter piss me off(feels good to just say it!) too. At least at Howe Sound Brewpub in Squamish, you can order a whole jug of Pothole Filler(9%) if you want, without any flack.

    1. David Perry Avatar
      David Perry

      Glad to hear that you have taken this kind of advocate work on your own – it is so important that it happens on a large scale (and not just people like me in positions of leadership.)

      I’d love for you to meet up with us when I get an advoacy advisory board together so we can get your thoughts out there. Please email me so I can get you involved

  2. Adrian Harper Avatar
    Adrian Harper

    I can see and understand your reasoning for ending the FUSS campaign, but I’m bitterly disappointed. Serving sizes (or NON sizes) have long been my main bugbear with buying beer in bars and restaurants. How about taking a page out of some unions, where they target only one or two egregious offenders and then organize a boycott of those establishments until they recognize their poor practices and vow to amend their ways?

    The difficulty, of course, would be to get enough beer aficionados together to make the boycott work.

    What about trying to get the provincial government on board with legislation requiring that a line be marked on serving glasses that show the expected liquid level according to the serving size claimed — as is typical in Europe?

    Or, perhaps a more positive approach would be to promote the few pubs and restaurants that DO, already, give us full measure. To start, I can recommend Mission Springs (Mission’s one and only brew pub). In this way, perhaps other bars and restaurants would see the benefits of following suit.

    Anyhow, I’m really sorry you’ve come to the decision you have, and would ask you to reconsider this whole area of common discontent with drinkers.

    1. David Perry Avatar
      David Perry

      Hi Adrian,

      Thanks for the comment. I can’t say I am thrilled about the turn of events either, but I feel like it is the best decision. At the very least its an opportunity (as you pointed out) to approach the problem from a different angle.

      The boycott idea has been thrown around in the past but getting people to actually execute on it is a big challenge – as you mentioned.

      Taking about provincial legislation is a good idea, but something that is to be addressed by CAMRA BC. I made a point this year to try and keep the advocate work we do happening on a local level. CAMRA Vancouver has lost its commitment to the local community and for too many years has been the driving force for provincial advocacy for beer drinkers. We have a passionate BC board right now that would love to hear provincial concerns.

      In the meantime, I would love to have you join our local advocacy advisory committee to discuss this stuff with. PLEASE email me so I can get you in the conversation and involved!

  3. Glen Marshall (F18) Avatar
    Glen Marshall (F18)

    Sad to hear.

    Some of the justifications for this decision remind me of the provincial government’s reasons for not raising the minimum wage by any significant amount (small business will suffer) and the real estate industry’s insistence that it can govern and regulate itself (but there is an election coming up, so maybe the noise from Victoria will result in some independent oversight).

    Of course there are many who server beer by the glass that don’t want to be required to deliver a measured quantity. That’s how they make more money. We should patronize the others who are not afraid of a business model that includes fairness. I prefer to take my pocket scale and measure the weight of the full glass, subtract the weight of the empty glass, correct for density, and to the math.

    CAMRA Vancouver has to figure out why it exists. The main activities of a decade ago, encouraging the growth of a vibrant craft beer industry in the city by spreading an appreciation of the alternatives to manufactured beer, have largely been accomplished by previous executives.

    The discount advantage of membership is ok, but from my point of view, if I receive a good product at a fair price from friendly and knowledgeable servers, I have no problem with full price. I tend to use the discount only when I receive a short pour or some similar failure of expectation, and then don’t go back to that discount-provider.

    There is still a need for advocacy. And part of that is to rationalize serving sizes.

    I’ve suggested this before, but as a start, why can’t CAMRA (Vancouver and/or BC) lobby the government to expand the Serving It Right (SIR) online “training”? We should recommend at least that SIR certification ensures that servers as well as licensees know the regulations about serving sizes (such as they are), how they should be displayed on menus (along with ABV?), and what a pint is (and isn’t). This list could probably be expanded.

    At an otherwise very respectable and well-regarded Vancouver establishment, I once had a server who told me it was a pint. Clearly it was a sleeve, maybe but probably not 16 US fl. oz. “But that’s a US pint!”, she said.

    1. David Perry Avatar
      David Perry

      A lot of the suggestions I receive (like your SIR one) are of things that need to get done on a provincial level. CAMRA Vancouver exists to advocate on the local front – I want us to stay true to that.

      I’d love to have you join our advocacy advisory board – you would bring an experienced voice to it all. PLease email me so I can keeo you invovled, Glen!

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